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Aneesh Chopra

...is global, if I have a server in China , and I want alibaba.com, I'd have t...

Bill McKibben

...as what was going on in Germany or China , in terms of powering the cos...

Courtney Hight

...Then we went back and forth on China . He's like, “Okay, you know what? Yo...

Frances Beinecke

...see that globally now. You saw that in China , where the air quality levels...
...the largest emitter. I'm not sure when China blew by us and is now many time...
...Clinton barging into the room with China , Brazil, India, and I'm not sure wh...

Gina McCarthy

...make happen. And that was primarily China and India. I was involved in many o...

Heather Zichal

...dynamics between—whether that was with China or with a small island, developin...
...where. And we had gotten wind that China was going to leave. And, obviously...
...going to leave. And, obviously, without China having a seat at the table, we knew w...
...it was the chief negotiator for China , and then Barack Obama pounded throug...
...it's rocket science—the importance of China , and getting alignment with China, an...

...of China, and getting alignment with China , and what a potential game change tha...
...summit, in June of 2013, when China and the United States negotiated t...
...dynamics between—whether that was with China or with a small island, developin...
...where. And we had gotten wind that China was going to leave. And, obviously...
...going to leave. And, obviously, without China having a seat at the table, we knew w...
...it was the chief negotiator for China , and then Barack Obama pounded throug...
...it's rocket science—the importance of China , and getting alignment with China, an...
...of China, and getting alignment with China , and what a potential game change tha...
...summit, in June of 2013, when China and the United States negotiated t...

Kathleen Sebelius

...“If we just shut off travel from China , this will all go away.” Viruse...
...to various countries, particularly China , it had huge impact on Kansas farmer...
...to international markets, particularly China . We sell beef, we sell wheat...

Lisa Jackson

...because of the BRICS, they call it— China , Russia, India, Brazil, South Afric...

Max Baucus

...senator from Montana and ambassador to China in the second term of the Obam...
...six terms before becoming ambassador to China . In the Senate, he sponsored the 199...
...talk, in our next conversation, about China . But just a little diversion. Was tha...
...for you to become ambassador to China —that he had gone off to be ambassado...
...earlier than that, because he's a China scholar— [unclear] ancient history a...

...No, I just had a big interest in China . I would take delegations of Montanan...
...take delegations of Montanans over to China over the years, starting late 1970s an...
...Mansfield got me thinking about China is clear to me. He wanted to b...
...to me. He wanted to be ambassador to China . But Leonard Woodcock preempted him...
...gave him Japan. [Laughs] Anyway, Japan, China , and all that—very intrigued wit...
...China, and all that—very intrigued with China . So that's how that all began. Bu...
...about your ambassadorship to China . I look forward to talking with yo...
...about his experience as ambassador to China . Before we begin, I just want t...
...about that you became ambassador to China ? Well, where's the beginning...
...Oh, gosh. Well, I've been interested in China and the relationship for many years. M...
...bit, Mike Mansfield and the interest in China . I remember a long time ago, Mik...
...the Senate, was to be ambassador to China . But that position was already fille...
...I don't know. [Laughs] “It may also be China .” Just fascinated with China, and th...
...also be China.” Just fascinated with China , and the development—the growth o...
...and the development—the growth of China and the relationship. And it is clea...
...the old days. [Laughs] And it was about China , the US relationship with China. An...
...about China, the US relationship with China . And it was prescient—that's even a...
...It's, how would the role of China —the importance of China to the Unite...
...the role of China—the importance of China to the United States—it's stunning. On...
...LBJ [Lyndon B. Johnson], talking about China . And I read this paper. I thought...
...Kissinger persuading Nixon to go to China . I have a hunch. It's stunning. S...
...So Mike has always—got me interested in China . I'd been interested in China anyway...
...in China. I'd been interested in China anyway. When I was in the Senate, ...
...take many congressional delegations to China —mostly business—as part of th...
...would be the top foreign policy guy in China . Nevertheless, I get Christmas card...
...spent a lot of time thinking about China . And I just know it's reall...
...“Max, why don't you be ambassador to China ?” And in a nanosecond—less than ...
...to leave, leave now. We'll send you to China , because that means whoever th...
...he did. Then, they wanted to get me to China , too, because my predecessor—there'...
...the broad context, at that time, of US- China relations—perhaps especially in th...
...Obama policy would be with respect to China —what I should do or not do. So I wen...
...And they asked me kinds of questions on China policy—North Korea, Taiwan, the usua...
...strategic plan. What are we doing with China ? And when I got over there, I learne...
...no long-term strategic plan toward China . But they sent—and off I went and di...
...in the bigger, larger countries— China , Japan, Russia, and so forth. You ge...
...our long-term plan here with respect to China ? Now, reset—this is in the news ...
...on everything—more toward Asia and China . And my sense is it's a little bit o...
...foreign policy, US foreign policy in China —when cabinet secretaries would com...
...In reading Henry Kissinger's book On China —and that was my bible when I starte...
...which I learned to be very true about China and the Chinese. One, it's been sai...
...and losers, unless it's stalemate. In China , it's go, or weiqi. It's a bigge...
...implies in that book, “Now, what about China ? Big country, big military power. Bu...
...that was not the case in Anchorage [US- China meetings] just a week ago [laughs]...
...like what you do in the South China Sea—what you're doing in closing of...
...got some kind of a plan— [Made in] China 2025, they say no greenhous...
...a degree. We focused a little more on China than in the past. Our military ha...
...don't know what to do about the South China Sea. That was just—we didn't d...
...how the American embassy worked with China —it was a fascinating job, a stunnin...
...to have a strategic plan relative to China —other people have suggested that th...
...the priority was about trying to get China involved in denuclearization of th...
...perhaps, not a strategic plan for China as such—or China-US relations—but mor...
...a strategic plan for China as such—or China -US relations—but more for China as ...
...such—or China-US relations—but more for China as a player and actor in these issue...
...first of all, I totally believed that China , US, the world should do somethin...
...“Hey, here's an opportunity for us, for China . There's several opportunities here...
...president of the United States. And we, China , could represent the developin...
...I worked with President Clinton on China . He invited me once over to the Whit...
...up, and said, “What do we do about China ?” I just looked at him right straigh...
...in the eye. I said, “We have to respect China . And China has to respect us. It'...
...I said, “We have to respect China. And China has to respect us. It's mutua...
...it was called—anyway, get rid of it for China . In fact, I either introduced th...
...[permanent normal trade relations] for China —permanent normal trade for China. An...
...for China—permanent normal trade for China . And I did for Russia later too. ...
...doing so, I got to know Zhu Rongji in China , Premier Zhu Rongji and Wen Jiabao...
...the only road to North Korea is through China . You're going to get no agreement—o...
...certainly foreign policy—passes through China . It's incredible. Whether it'...
...in getting business development in China ? Or were they involved in other kind...
...It was business—opening up markets in China , along those lines—agriculture, seed...
...lines—agriculture, seeds imported into China . It was commercial. The other one, h...
...curious about the internal politics of China , and how you interacted with that. Yo...
...strengthened the hands of the hawks in China . Xi Jinping, like any leader, has t...
...Deng Xiaoping, felt that the future of China is to open up economically and t...
...a lot of people. It's so complicated in China —the interrelationships, and th...
...to help US business do business in China . Hate this phrase “win-win,” but s...
...people have talked about—internal to China in this context—was the corruption i...
...on policy making. Wu Jinglian, one of China 's preeminent economists, said, “It'...
...obvious that the biggest problem China faces right now is corruption.” This i...
...an ant. Three Japanese is a dragon. In China , three Chinese is an ant. One is ...
...in a certain sense, the value system in China is families—is father, mother, son...
...died—Cultural Revolution so upset China . So it's normal—people really wan...
...to—there's a real conservative trend in China —not rock the boat too much, but als...
...that changed the relationship. Suddenly China said, “Oh my gosh, look. They're spyin...
...pass. It was also an opportunity for China , with that national-securit...
...data had to be localized in China . Well, as you might expect, that jus...
...five-point protocol, essentially where China would agree not to spy on US fo...
...altruistic. It was an opportunity for China . No, I'm trying to—what's the—AIIB...
...Bank. And it's heavily capitalized by China . They invited us to participate. We...
...I think it's a very clever move by China to develop the BRI and the AIIB, Asia...
...about development, because when China develops the BRI, it'll be Chines...
...attempts to constrain or deal with China in one way or the other? Hold on...
...that they had to live with China . China is the dominant power in thei...
...that they had to live with China. China is the dominant power in thei...
...we want to play you off against China . And when you're here, we can do tha...
...more difficult. We have to deal with China . They're next door to us. We reall...
...made it toxic, because he was against China jobs and that kind of thing. It wa...
...It's a very indirect connection. China is present developing the BRI. We'd b...
...on human rights. US, it seems, wanted China to take certain actions regarding it...
...conflict between what the US wants from China on the economy, but also making thes...
...but also making these demands for China on human rights. And China, of course...
...demands for China on human rights. And China , of course, did not see the US a...
...not see the US as having any role in China 's policy on human rights. Do you se...
...in conflict—the US trying to get China to respond on human rights at the sam...
...at the same time it's trying to get China to do different things economically...
...it was interesting to me—as you know, China , over and over and over again—and the...
...rights—they almost called South China Sea within the nine-dash line. Th...
...to talk about the role of emperors in China —went back, “Emperors take care of th...
...surprised—at all—to see the promise of China to grant more democratic rule in Hon...
...senator from Montana and ambassador to China in the second term of the Obam...
...six terms before becoming ambassador to China . In the Senate, he sponsored the 199...
...talk, in our next conversation, about China . But just a little diversion. Was tha...
...for you to become ambassador to China —that he had gone off to be ambassado...
...earlier than that, because he's a China scholar— [unclear] ancient history a...
...No, I just had a big interest in China . I would take delegations of Montanan...
...take delegations of Montanans over to China over the years, starting late 1970s an...
...Mansfield got me thinking about China is clear to me. He wanted to b...
...to me. He wanted to be ambassador to China . But Leonard Woodcock preempted him...
...gave him Japan. [Laughs] Anyway, Japan, China , and all that—very intrigued wit...
...China, and all that—very intrigued with China . So that's how that all began. Bu...
...about your ambassadorship to China . I look forward to talking with yo...
...about his experience as ambassador to China . Before we begin, I just want t...
...about that you became ambassador to China ? Well, where's the beginning...
...Oh, gosh. Well, I've been interested in China and the relationship for many years. M...
...bit, Mike Mansfield and the interest in China . I remember a long time ago, Mik...
...the Senate, was to be ambassador to China . But that position was already fille...
...I don't know. [Laughs] “It may also be China .” Just fascinated with China, and th...
...also be China.” Just fascinated with China , and the development—the growth o...
...and the development—the growth of China and the relationship. And it is clea...
...the old days. [Laughs] And it was about China , the US relationship with China. An...
...about China, the US relationship with China . And it was prescient—that's even a...
...It's, how would the role of China —the importance of China to the Unite...
...the role of China—the importance of China to the United States—it's stunning. On...
...LBJ [Lyndon B. Johnson], talking about China . And I read this paper. I thought...
...Kissinger persuading Nixon to go to China . I have a hunch. It's stunning. S...
...So Mike has always—got me interested in China . I'd been interested in China anyway...
...in China. I'd been interested in China anyway. When I was in the Senate, ...
...take many congressional delegations to China —mostly business—as part of th...
...would be the top foreign policy guy in China . Nevertheless, I get Christmas card...
...spent a lot of time thinking about China . And I just know it's reall...
...“Max, why don't you be ambassador to China ?” And in a nanosecond—less than ...
...to leave, leave now. We'll send you to China , because that means whoever th...
...he did. Then, they wanted to get me to China , too, because my predecessor—there'...
...the broad context, at that time, of US- China relations—perhaps especially in th...
...Obama policy would be with respect to China —what I should do or not do. So I wen...
...And they asked me kinds of questions on China policy—North Korea, Taiwan, the usua...
...strategic plan. What are we doing with China ? And when I got over there, I learne...
...no long-term strategic plan toward China . But they sent—and off I went and di...
...in the bigger, larger countries— China , Japan, Russia, and so forth. You ge...
...our long-term plan here with respect to China ? Now, reset—this is in the news ...
...on everything—more toward Asia and China . And my sense is it's a little bit o...
...foreign policy, US foreign policy in China —when cabinet secretaries would com...
...In reading Henry Kissinger's book On China —and that was my bible when I starte...
...which I learned to be very true about China and the Chinese. One, it's been sai...
...and losers, unless it's stalemate. In China , it's go, or weiqi. It's a bigge...
...implies in that book, “Now, what about China ? Big country, big military power. Bu...
...that was not the case in Anchorage [US- China meetings] just a week ago [laughs]...
...like what you do in the South China Sea—what you're doing in closing of...
...got some kind of a plan— [Made in] China 2025, they say no greenhous...
...a degree. We focused a little more on China than in the past. Our military ha...
...don't know what to do about the South China Sea. That was just—we didn't d...
...how the American embassy worked with China —it was a fascinating job, a stunnin...
...to have a strategic plan relative to China —other people have suggested that th...
...the priority was about trying to get China involved in denuclearization of th...
...perhaps, not a strategic plan for China as such—or China-US relations—but mor...
...a strategic plan for China as such—or China -US relations—but more for China as ...
...such—or China-US relations—but more for China as a player and actor in these issue...
...first of all, I totally believed that China , US, the world should do somethin...
...“Hey, here's an opportunity for us, for China . There's several opportunities here...
...president of the United States. And we, China , could represent the developin...
...I worked with President Clinton on China . He invited me once over to the Whit...
...up, and said, “What do we do about China ?” I just looked at him right straigh...
...in the eye. I said, “We have to respect China . And China has to respect us. It'...
...I said, “We have to respect China. And China has to respect us. It's mutua...
...it was called—anyway, get rid of it for China . In fact, I either introduced th...
...[permanent normal trade relations] for China —permanent normal trade for China. An...
...for China—permanent normal trade for China . And I did for Russia later too. ...
...doing so, I got to know Zhu Rongji in China , Premier Zhu Rongji and Wen Jiabao...
...the only road to North Korea is through China . You're going to get no agreement—o...
...certainly foreign policy—passes through China . It's incredible. Whether it'...
...in getting business development in China ? Or were they involved in other kind...
...It was business—opening up markets in China , along those lines—agriculture, seed...
...lines—agriculture, seeds imported into China . It was commercial. The other one, h...
...curious about the internal politics of China , and how you interacted with that. Yo...
...strengthened the hands of the hawks in China . Xi Jinping, like any leader, has t...
...Deng Xiaoping, felt that the future of China is to open up economically and t...
...a lot of people. It's so complicated in China —the interrelationships, and th...
...to help US business do business in China . Hate this phrase “win-win,” but s...
...people have talked about—internal to China in this context—was the corruption i...
...on policy making. Wu Jinglian, one of China 's preeminent economists, said, “It'...
...obvious that the biggest problem China faces right now is corruption.” This i...
...an ant. Three Japanese is a dragon. In China , three Chinese is an ant. One is ...
...in a certain sense, the value system in China is families—is father, mother, son...
...died—Cultural Revolution so upset China . So it's normal—people really wan...
...to—there's a real conservative trend in China —not rock the boat too much, but als...
...that changed the relationship. Suddenly China said, “Oh my gosh, look. They're spyin...
...pass. It was also an opportunity for China , with that national-securit...
...data had to be localized in China . Well, as you might expect, that jus...
...five-point protocol, essentially where China would agree not to spy on US fo...
...altruistic. It was an opportunity for China . No, I'm trying to—what's the—AIIB...
...Bank. And it's heavily capitalized by China . They invited us to participate. We...
...I think it's a very clever move by China to develop the BRI and the AIIB, Asia...
...about development, because when China develops the BRI, it'll be Chines...
...attempts to constrain or deal with China in one way or the other? Hold on...
...that they had to live with China . China is the dominant power in thei...
...that they had to live with China. China is the dominant power in thei...
...we want to play you off against China . And when you're here, we can do tha...
...more difficult. We have to deal with China . They're next door to us. We reall...
...made it toxic, because he was against China jobs and that kind of thing. It wa...
...It's a very indirect connection. China is present developing the BRI. We'd b...
...on human rights. US, it seems, wanted China to take certain actions regarding it...
...conflict between what the US wants from China on the economy, but also making thes...
...but also making these demands for China on human rights. And China, of course...
...demands for China on human rights. And China , of course, did not see the US a...
...not see the US as having any role in China 's policy on human rights. Do you se...
...in conflict—the US trying to get China to respond on human rights at the sam...
...at the same time it's trying to get China to do different things economically...
...it was interesting to me—as you know, China , over and over and over again—and the...
...rights—they almost called South China Sea within the nine-dash line. Th...
...to talk about the role of emperors in China —went back, “Emperors take care of th...
...surprised—at all—to see the promise of China to grant more democratic rule in Hon...
...that kind of thing. And off I went to Beijing . That's the beginning. Thank you...
...something fairly draconian passed. So Beijing did it. That does not surprise me. Tha...
...between Xi and Obama. At the summit in Beijing in November around climate change...
...it's the G20 2015, Washington '14, and Beijing , we'd talk. It'd be somewha...
...conversation after the 2015 summit in Beijing . Not me alone; there were other...
...in the US mission in China. Thousand in Beijing , thousand rest of the country, all th...
...have had some security, driving around Beijing , ambassador's car, et.” No, n...
...middle of the night, almost anywhere in Beijing . Very safe. And you would visit th...
...once, I was walking down the street of Chongqing in western China, about seven o'clock...
...month there, my wife and I went down to Shanghai , small little hole in the wal...
...close friends. Every time I visit Shanghai , we get together. During COVID, we'r...
...a couple times a week. I dub them my Shanghai five. And I always see my Shangha...
...my Shanghai five. And I always see my Shanghai five. They're just a real littl...

Peter Orszag

...same month, you participated in the US- China Strategic and Economic Dialogue. I'v...

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