Fox News - Obama Presidency Oral History

...year, and this was us doing our first Fox interview since then. So we sat dow...

...the first question was basically, “Our Fox listener wrote in. We've got question...

...him. Well, I do want to come back to Fox News, but to have a more upliftin...

...that's pretty related, and that is Fox News, and the relationship of th...

...relationship of the administration to Fox . When you took over as communication...

...the administration's relationship with Fox should look like? When I was deput...

...when we had our very public war with Fox , where the president had attacke...

...gone on the Sunday shows and said that Fox was not a journalistic organization a...

...We decided to make a big fight with Fox . And the reason we did that was, one...

... What they were doing, really, was, Fox was covering these stories that wer...

...way that was very much ripped from the Fox headlines. We were trying to send ...

...of the White House press corps that Fox should not be your [unclear]. You can'...

...not be your [unclear]. You can't treat Fox like it's ABC or CNN. As I wrote abou...

...we miscalculated. Which is, our view of Fox —which is that it is a right-win...

...it came up. It was a thing. And Fox also saw real incentive in keeping i...

...not going to worry about it too much. Fox was much less powerful in this perio...

...of the TV networks, we'll also include Fox . So, we moved that we're not going t...

...not in the United States. So, it's now Fox 's turn. Fox had it before. Maybe She...

...States. So, it's now Fox's turn. Fox had it before. Maybe Shep Smith did it...

...Smith did it. I can't remember. But now Fox insists on it being Bill O'Reilly. W...

...about whether we should do it, because Fox is just being an asshole by making i...

...because it just did a giant favor to Fox . But that was the calculus at th...

...was either we don't do this, and then Fox says Obama was scared of O'Reilly—whic...

...frame, as if they had gotten it from Fox News. And you ask them, “Do you watc...

...News. And you ask them, “Do you watch Fox News?” And they'll say no. “Do you kno...

...“Do you know a lot of people who watch Fox News?” They'll say no. Then you as...

...see then it wasn't just a White House Fox News problem. It wasn't even just a Fo...

...Fox News problem. It wasn't even just a Fox News problem. It was that the silo...

...willing to take their side, and to say Fox News is a legitimate news organizatio...

...of not just raising the profile of Fox News—because we chose to have a figh...

...the news media. That sort of fight with Fox News was pretty short lived once thos...

...Obama sit down with Chris Wallace from Fox News to talk about the Supreme Cour...

...a briefing in which I didn't call on Fox News. I don't think there was a singl...

...and I don't remember what Fox News had done. They had done somethin...

...to the networks, and to CNN, but not to Fox .” That was not a criticism of Majo...

...was not really part of a bigger anti- Fox crusade. It was about just bein...

...It was about just being irritated with Fox . Our perception was, we didn't hav...

...“Well, if you don't include Fox , then we're not going to do the poo...

...sleep very well at night not giving Fox this interview opportunity” o...

...the cable outlets, CNN, MSNBC, and even Fox [News], to their credit, said that the...